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PostSubject: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:27 pm

Okay, so I have many debates with religious people of all kinds and I'm usually very careful and respectful to their beliefs. But today i am having a debate with a Christian, one I consider very blinded to the real world because of the bible.

This Christian argued that all life is not equal, animals were put here for man, and women were made from man for man.

this strikes me as very ignorant and sexist. He quoted that basically god put women here for the men, and actually made the women from the man.

I argued that Christianity is very sexist then, and highlighted that the bible was written that way it was due to the time it was written and enforced. Medieval times. Where women were looked upon as inferior to men.

What my point is I have been debating all day with this man on a forum and have questioned everything he believes in because I believe it to be wrong or simply flawed. But also i've been enjoying it because I believe it helps me grow spiritually I think, as I'm putting my self acquired knowledge and beliefs to the test by using them to counter anything he argues from a Christian perspective.

I even went so far as to say i think Satanism has a kinder and more equal outlook of life and women. Which is true...

now, about the Karma. If this man were to be effected somehow by this, say I cause him to question his own faith and it leads to some bad times for him, what in the way of Karma could I expect from this even though I believe I was right?

Instead of trying to argue principles of life and being, have I somehow been trying to destroy his faith?

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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:42 am

I'm not an expert on karma, but I'd say it depends on your motive. If you were honestly searching for answers, then I'd say no bad karma is coming your way. If you were, on the other hand, trying to cause him to somehow doubt his faith, you may need to watch your back.
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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:50 pm

many christains dont actually know what it is to be one and think going to church once a week and being a nice person is one. you can ask people about their faith, some take it in the wrong way like your attacking them when you are just asking.

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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:53 pm

I promise to be a good pagan during my time as one Smile

lol Embarassed

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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:56 pm

im saying nothing Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:17 am

lol rsp

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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:19 am

the answer is still the same Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:07 am

"...ah mortals, the moment you talk about belief you simply don't know do you however much you may believe in it, but can you argue that "facing the slot" like this is not a "journey to self" then, so why do you try to believe when you can know for sure if you keep at it, because you won't find it outside yourselves, simply your "dailylife" will show you your outer self, while your facing the slot like this will show you what lies within, that's all..." ventured the goblin, adding "...when you look out at the night's sky, you think you see the infinite, you don't, you only see some galaxies, so when you look at the screen you might as well think you see some infinite for all you actual see, and if you close your eyes too, it's the same amount of infinite you actually see as staring at those stars again, so knowing this, the point is not "what one sees" at all, it's taking the time out of ones "dailylife" to contemplate the infinite and finding ones own way to do so..."

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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:01 pm

its absolutely pointless worrying about karma now, because mortals aren't in charge of dishing it out.
Going along with what Princess said worry about your motives and next time be more careful when arguing religion or simply don't do it. Build up a strong faith by exploring yours ideas, not by arguing with others of a different faith.
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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:02 pm

"...ah yes, that word "faith" again, but you don't know do you, so what do you actually really know mortals, that you are here, yes, and that your "journey to self" or call it your "journey to death" is evident, simply all around you now is indisputable as your "dailylife" is it not, and you could say that you are just the sum total of the trappings of your "dailylife" here..." mentioned the goblin, thinking "dailylife" as ones age, how one looks in the mirror, status, money in the bank, etc., continuing "...but me, I know that I am more than that because I face the slot trying to make posts, not as some religion but as a counter conditioning process to dailylife, that after a while, I just see myself from what I post, clear..", the goblin paused, then concluded "..."knowing" is all you can go on, and you can make pacts with the faiths, just as you can accept the trappings of "dailylife" as the total, and amass those trinkets of the moneygod too, but in the end you'll still be asking yourself "where am I in all this", won't you mortal, because "believing" is accepting faith for truth just because you have been told it is so, or that it is written as such somewhere, where in fact your duty is to know, so that "your journey to self" is simply "to know for yourself", not faith then..."


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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:53 pm

to me, karma has nothing to do with faith
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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:46 pm

the goblin thanked the queen of hearts noting that the point of the title is "how will my karma be effected if I question my faith", which admittedly is the mixing of unknowns here, that of "a tally" on the one hand, and "a judge" on the other, "...ah, but everyone knows Calvin's argument, which goes "if a potter makes a pot, and the pot leaks water, is it the fault of the pot or the potter, it's the fault of the potter isn't, so then, if God makes you, and you sin, whose fault is it"..." voiced the goblin, somehow knowing that the response of "free will", which is silly because God decides the amount of free will here, and knows the outcome too, in short, there is just nothing God doesn't know, nor anything that God can delegate to chance since God is the all knowing God, and with that the goblin added "...the other argument is the atheist's one in the picture below...", but the goblin preferred the Gnostic way where there is no tally nor judge, just a "journey to self" here



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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:55 pm

i have no faith in god as i dont believe he ever exsisted so questioning my faith has nothing to do with my belief of karma biting those on the arse that deserve it
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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:08 am

the goblin supposed that if life "made sense" then it would be too simple, and that, if "the effect" was always as predicted by "the cause", then people would just look to their reward each time over the action, so the goblin himself didn't believe in reward knowing that this life was full of cases where "cause and effect" didn't neatly follow one another, and the goblin thanked his life for it, that "cause and effect" was mostly true, yes, though never quite 100% true where real life was concerned, so the goblin just repeated his favorite line to himself again "..."the action is the reward in itself" or else it's cheap...", but the goblin had often been a cheap blind calculative type in his dealings with others

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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Sat May 23, 2009 5:29 pm

None of you people understands Karma. You cannot "get bad Karma", Karma does not "bite those on the arse that deserve it".

Every living organism has Karma, until the time that it achieves "oneness" with God/Nature/Reality. One's Karma will dictate how one will be born in their next life - it has nothing to do with repurcussions in the present. This is a ridiculous concept, based on the Western idea of immediacy.

When one has a low Karma, one is born to a better life. Living a better life, one is able to achieve higher and higher spiritual awareness, with each life, for the sole reason that the need to struggle to survive is not there, thus a large portion of the physical world is immaterial, and one can concentrate on the mind, and on the spiritual world, thereby improving ones link with God/Nature/Reality, whatever you want to call that central concept known to the Hindus as "Brahman".

It is not a question of getting "bad karma", it is a question of getting any Karma at all. When one has no Karma left, one is not reborn, but is freed of physical existence, essentially becoming pure sentience, a part of, and yet apart from, Brahman. This is the Hindu concept of Karma.
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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Sat May 23, 2009 7:11 pm

that is your opinion
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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Sat May 23, 2009 10:54 pm

repost from elsewhere, the "afterlife" thread

"...simply, you and I are anonymous, the number of posts, the hit rate, and all the other paraphernalia which goes up to create any member on a site actually means nothing because nothing can be proved here, nothing except the fact that I am writing this and you are reading it..." said the goblin whose goal remained to know himself from what he posted, adding "...you can't know the future, there is no way to know it because it is not here yet, but perhaps one can know oneself, because oneself is here all the time..."

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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Sun May 24, 2009 12:19 am

its all what you believe yourself, not what some stuck up his own ass know it all says( i dont mean you fleamailman)
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PostSubject: Re: Karma related to questioning ones faith?   Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:36 pm

repost from elsewhere, the "afterlife" thread

the goblin turned up, and then explained "...in life, there is only this "journey to self" here that you can know of for sure, in that, some people will talk about lots of things that make sense attaching still more things they will ask you to believe in, even as far as to offer you an eternal reward or an eternal punishment depending on whether you accept their given line as the truth about your future...", somehow the goblin knew that the next bit was harder but he continued "...so imagine the first of two choices, that you accepted their argument to its full, and did exactly as told to because of some reward or punishment that was coming later, now what would that tell you about yourself and how base you are, simply your actions would be based on self advantage here, something like taking out a mortgage on heaven perhaps, every good action you did would be some contribution towards that mortgage then, wouldn't it...", so the goblin just offered the second choice by saying "...now imagine the other choice, that all your actions good or bad were based on your own judgment of them, no expectation, nor reward nor punishment here, just you knowing yourself by what you do, well if you can imagine these two choices clearly then, and can still choose the latter of the two, thus defying any notion of God, or the Devil and anything else for that matter, saying "I do not look to reward in my actions, the actions are the reward in themselves", then for an eternity you could hold you head up high and look your maker in the eye, saying "well, you may not like my choices but at least I was, as honest to them then, as I am to you now"..."

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