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Abortion?
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PostSubject: Abortion?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:47 am

The choice is there if necessary, what is foggy is when the baby is actually considered a living being. Like is there a soul, is it conscious and from how early.

Some would argue that it is immoral and with very good reason, the baby in question didn't ask for life, yet its given and taken away without having its own say as to whether it wants to live or die.

Some would also say that if a man impregnated a woman and forced her to bear a child she didn't want, that is also immoral, as the woman's body changes and can cause lots of pain and stress.

I don't necessarily agree with abortion, but what i do believe is in a world where nothing is perfect, pain and poverty is all around, and death is everywhere, women shouldn't be condemned for making a life choice - a very serious one, when the world is brimming with hypocrisy as it is...

Not many care for rainforests, poverty is rife amongst third worlds, wars and primitive beliefs regarding life happen, so why should a woman be condemned by her species for making a life choice that ultimately effects her?

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:29 pm

i think that abortion should be of your own choice, although i dont think i could ever have one.

that being said, too many women are using it as a form of contraception instead of keeping their legs closed or using something.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:31 pm

I posed the question of the baby and whether its conscious and at what age on another forum and received this reply:

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Babies do punch as well as kick, and wriggle and suck their thumb, turn away from light and a number of other things while still in the womb. If there is a need to take blood from a baby still in the womb a baby will wriggle and try and move away from the needle. Ok, this could be expained as a reflex. But I believe that research has been done on babies who have been operated on while still in the womb and have shown that a baby's stress hormone level increases and the body's own pain relieving chemicals increase quite a significan amount. So to me, this would indicate that a foetus can feel pain, which would be enough for me to believe that baby has a conscious.

This makes it a very hard subject to determine, especially when the underlining principle suggests the baby could feel itself being terminated, and die in pain...

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:34 pm

that doesnt apply for a foetus thats a few weeks old
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:36 pm

How can you be so sure?

Worlds can be separated by size, just because a foetus is tiny, doesn't mean there isn't a tiny little consciousness with it..

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:37 pm

i lost a baby at 12 weeks,i know what they look like n all.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:38 pm

Okay...

i'm out of my depth here

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:39 pm

they give you a book when you are pregnant that says roughly how big the baby is on each week or so, what has formed and stuff
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:45 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:10 pm

I had an abortion and im please I had it, I wasnt in the right frame of mind and it wouldnt have been fair on the baby, I already had one, and there was no way I could have had another one....

I think people who just use it as a contraceptive should be shot personally.

These things happen, its everyone's own choice, dont think I could go through it again though.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:17 am

Sometimes an abortion is the sensible choice to make. Sometimes an abortion is necessary for the life of the woman.

Those who gestate live fetuses that are later stillborn, this is nature--it happens. This is why U.S. law demands a Certificate of Live Birth as certification of personhood. There is no such thing as a Conception Certificate. You're not a person until you've survived the birth process, and stillborns don't count.

This puts the kibosh on the debate about when lfe begins regarding the fetus; it's neither here nor there--not even Biblically. Leviticus shows us a God that puts monetary value on human life, in terms of silver shekels, and anyone under a month old is worthless. And anybody putting a greater value on human life under a month old makes the pretense that he/she is more moral than God.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:16 pm

I am totally pro choice. I don't think I could have an abortion as I believe it is kinda murder, and I couldn't do that to an innocent being that is part of me. But I would NEVER want back street abortions to be womens only choice out of it... Again (here). As with everything, people have different views and unless it seriously effects other independent (by which I mean aren't totally dependent on their parents, could at the least be looked ater by someone else) beings, I think they should have a right to do what they think is best.

I think it should be illegal after 22 weeks though, except in extreme circumstances.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:30 pm

what if the doctors told you that your baby had some disabilities?

i mean, i refused to have those tests done with both of mine because i didnt want to know if there was something wrong and have to go through that heart breaking choice
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:32 pm

Depends what it was, I know there are some disabilities that doctors are known to misdiagnose. If it was certain for sure, and the baby would basically have no quality of life (not capable of thinking or moving) then yes, I think I probably would have an abortion.

I am happy that I haven't been in that situation. I don't doubt it is a VERY difficult decision to make.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:19 pm

doctors misdiagnose alot these days even with all the technology they have. speaking of that, they shouldnt be able to tll you what sex your baby is, they told me my daughter was a boy. a big difference between a winkie and the umbillical cord
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:16 am

im pro choice its upto the person different situations and all that but tbh unplanned pregnancies should be rare really with the ease to obtain contraception (yes lads condoms have other uses than blowing them up)and the information out there
if i was in the situation that was suggested in few posts up if i was confronted with a possible diability id probably go for the abortion as if it was a condition that childs quality of life would be affected id not want them to suffer
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion?   Sat May 23, 2009 7:11 pm

LOL @ Queen hehe

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